Round 3

I am studying the history of feral animals in Australia and am trying to find any information on them but especially when they were first mentioned.

Question posted Wednesday May 27, 2009

Jane B's answer

I used Australian History, Ancient and Modern History as this database is full of Australian content and primary source documents. To find the information I entered “feral animals” into the search box – this came up with 7 results. The earliest mention was a link to Explorer Excerpts 1797 – 11 March 1801. I followed this link to the next part of the site and scrolled down the list to the 5th entry The Saunder’s News-Letter (30 January 1797) which contained an article about an intrepid herd of cattle that had escaped a few days after the first arrival of the colony.

The excerpt is below:

The following fact is a striking instance of the want of enterprise and activity. A few days after the first arrival of the colony (now eight years since) a bull and six cows strayed from their keeper into the woods. A fear of venturing far amongst the natives, then somewhat hostile, repressed all attempts to regain them; indolence succeeded these fears, and no search was ever instituted. Some time since, an officer’s servant, shooting in the woods, between twenty and thirty miles from Sydney, discovered them, and conducted the Governor and his party to the spot, where they found a heard (sic) consisting of nearly sixty head of remarkably fine cattle. The bull attacked the party who, with some difficulty, escaped unhurt. That a neighbourhood of thirty miles by land, presenting no unusual obstacles to an adventurer, should, in the almost starving state of the colony, have remained unexplored for so long a period, is not to be accounted for otherwise than by the apathy or despondency of the settlers.

Commentary based on an unidentified correspondent’s comments, published in Saunders’s News-Letter, Monday. January 30, 1797, HRNSW (2), 820.

I went back to the list and had a look at the link Explorer Excerpts January 1802 – August 1803 and this is where this particular database is a bit clunky… to find the next mention I had to use the Find on this page option of Internet Explorer and put in “feral”. This strategy came up with an entry for 30 November 1802 of a letter by Governor Philip Gidley King to Lord Hobart that talks about attempts to unsuccessfully recapture the cattle that were now too ferocious to approach; he describes them being in two herds numbering 200 each.

For interest here is an excerpt from his letter:

Sixteen months have elapsed since the contract was made with Mr Campbell. I am inclined to think his partners in Calcutta do not mean to attend to it, has no penalty existed in case of non-performance. Those who have gone out fully persuaded of bringing in part of wild cattle have all been unsuccessful, owing to their ferocity. Future efforts may be more fortunate, but I cannot help thinking it will be more advantageous to leave them quiet on this side the mountains until they increase so much as to compel them to move towards the settlements. I am more confirmed in this idea as the officer (Ensign Barallier) I sent to endeavour to pass the mountains has returned from his first trial with little hope of effecting it, or making a new discovery, except a very imperfect limestone and the better kind of iron ore than has yet been found. He saw two herds of the wild cattle, of about 200 in each herd, which were to ferocious to approach. His next journey, which he is now preparing for, I hope will be successful, as he is sanguine in his expectations of passing the mountains.

From: Letter to Lord Hobart, HRNSW 4:847.

This search took less than five minutes and the researcher would be able to carry on with the research at home by logging onto the database with their Mosman Library card.

Ken D's answer

Started with a Google search – “history of feral animals in australia” – and pulled up a page from the Department of the Environment, Water, Heritage and the Arts.

Feral animals in Australia looks a good introduction, and the fact sheets for ‘Animals of concern’ gives a little history on the introduction of, for example, cats, who “may have arrived with Dutch shipwrecks in the 17th century.”

The most authoritative resource for feral animals in general was on about the third or fourth page of Google results.

feral.org.au is a “comprehensive, interactive and freely available website on pest animals. The site aims to make information on past and current research readily accessible and to interpret and pull together relevant data to assist end-users in making management decisions.”

It is published by the Invasive Animal Cooperative Research Centre in cooperation with the University of Canberra and with the assistance of the Bureau of Rural Sciences.

A good report with a brief history of each feral animal is Counting the Cost: Impact of Invasive Animals in Australia, 2004 (PDF) by Ross McLeod of the CRC.

There are a couple of Wikipedia articles that could also be good starting points for general research – a definition of Feral and Invasive species in Australia. Both pages have good external links.

Couldn’t find the first primary source mention of feral animals in Australia – but maybe one of the talented librarians visiting this site could do better and let us know their search strategy in the comments.

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Your say

I voted for Jane B. because she found the first mentions of feral animals in primary sources. However, I did like the other sources that Ken D. found about the types of feral animals in Australia etc. Both searches seemed to be quite fast, although Jane’s appear more relevant to the question.

— Liber8ed   posted 27 May 2009    #

I voted for Jane B as she was able to use primary sources for the first mention of feral animals, however, I think Ken also did a fantastic job in finding resources about feral animals in general. I think Ken addressed the broader aspect of the query.

— Henna   posted 27 May 2009    #

Not quite sure why Jane B padded her answer out with longish passages. Just after the strategy here, not ones life story!! The search engine gives more sources which I have not yet looked at, but seem to be worthwhile. Tough decision but go with the Ken D search engine.

— KylieLib   posted 27 May 2009    #

TSE gets my vote here, but again, due to Ken’s humaness with the way he interpreted the question… :)

The enquirer wanted “any information on feral animals” ….as well as their origin.

I think that Ken’s sources gave a more varied lot of places that were on topic and that the user could follow up. I think that the user would need more than just one link to a specialised history database.

Kathryn Greenhill   posted 27 May 2009    #

I voted for Jane B here, because she managed to address the specific part of the query with some excellent primary sources. But Ken provided the broader information and some great links to organisations.

— Alyson   posted 27 May 2009    #

The question was about gaining any information on them and especially dates first mentioned—not about quoting primary sources. Especially that this was about studying the subject; i.e. not writing a paper to fill with bibliographies.
Ken provided many more interesting resources.

— Chris   posted 27 May 2009    #

TSE wins this round for me, there are more and varied information sources on this rather than just the first occurances of feral animals in Australia. As the questioner was interested in general knowledge as well as the specifics Mosman’s answer didn’t cover all the information the customer was after while I think TSE managed to find the range of information the customer wanted.

— Kim   posted 27 May 2009    #

I wanted to pick both – because Jane found excellent first-mention sources, and Ken found excellent general information. The requestor asked for both things, and neither of you provided that. But together you did! Perhaps it’s a metaphor for the ultimate outcome of this competition…? I love this by the way – fabulous idea and I’m hooked on seeing what you come up with each day!

— Melanie   posted 27 May 2009    #

I voted for Ken D because his sources were varied.
I love Google, but also love trying this search engine which has been around for a while, “ixquick” is a metasearch engine
www.ixquick.com

Wang Library   posted 27 May 2009    #

So Ken D is seeking help from librarians in his answers now ;-) Sounds like a hands down win for librarians to me. Even a little waving of a white flag perhaps?

r0bin   posted 27 May 2009    #

The question stated that they were especially after first mention of feral animals and that is why I picked Jane B’s answer but it would have been better if she gave some general information to go with the answer too.

— Kylie   posted 27 May 2009    #

I should point out that both players are librarians. And Jane B has even been known to use the internet. Perhaps the answer lies in Melanie’s post.

Bernard D (admin)   posted 27 May 2009    #

Can’t help but notice that librarians are out in force to support old style librarianship, so the vote result is at best skewed. There’s an immense wealth of information on the internet…so how about learning to use it for the benefit of patrons; instead of tenaciously hanging on to the idea that librarians are the gate keepers. This whole challenge is a bit wrong.

— Chris   posted 27 May 2009    #

Once again Jane B provided the answer to the query, but I thought both answers were valuable. Personally I find Wikipedia good for basic research, but dont tell anyone!

— Barbara   posted 27 May 2009    #

The “when they were first mentioned” aspect got Jane the vote from me. But I was impressed by the documents retrieved by Ken from TSE.

— Brian Field   posted 27 May 2009    #

I voted for Jane B because she is a librarian and librarian rule!

— Ronaldo   posted 27 May 2009    #

In terms of addressing the general information about Feral animals in Australian, the search engine does provide more options, however if the most relevant result is on the third or fourth page of results then there is a chance it would not be seen by someone not experienced in evaluating material.

However I had to vote for the Library as the question did specifically ask for the earliest mention of them, which was not addressed by Ken

— Mark   posted 27 May 2009    #

Tough choice. Both have answered different parts of the question. My votes goes to Jane though as she answered the more specific part of the question.

— Jo   posted 27 May 2009    #

Couldn’t help myself…
I found a googling of: feral animals “first reported” (pages from Australia) produced some interesting results, though still no primary sources.

Feral herds of horses/donkeys were first reported in the 1920s (http://www.environment.sa.gov.au/animalwelfare/wild/horses.html).
I like that the second result in that google search is a (curious!) publication closely linked to Ken D’s first result.

— Jo   posted 27 May 2009    #

As usual, people are lining up on both sides of an imaginary fence, though I see some straddling the fence comfortably. I think they are both good answers, love the idea of the challenge and love the diversity of resources that your library has!

— Teeny TAFE library   posted 28 May 2009    #

While I loved Ken D’s answer and mention of the cats it was Jane B’s answer that has my vote because of the primary sources and it was great to be able to read them.

Jas   posted 28 May 2009    #

Both Chris and Melanie have hit the nail on the head. This fun challenge (great concept!) is skewed in an “either or” fashion (obviously to determine the “winner”) but in reality the overall result for the patron matters most.

— Tina   posted 28 May 2009    #

In response to Ronaldo, that Librarians rule, can you please substantiate by quoting authoritative journals only using online databases

— chickybabe   posted 28 May 2009    #

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The Set Up

We’re pitting Mosman Library’s online reference collection against what you can find from the search box on the world wide web!

Each day during Library & Information Week we’ll be posting a question that represents the range of queries that we get at Mosman Library.

The questions have been moderated by Ellen Forsyth of the State Library of NSW.

You decide who gives the best answers and wins the challenge.

The Players

Our Reference Librarian Jane B will represent Mosman Library. She’ll use only Mosman Library’s electronic resources to answer the question.

Our Internet & IT Services Librarian Ken D will represent the search engine. He’ll use only freely-available web resources to formulate his answer.

The Rules

Each player has 45 minutes to research the question.

They have another 45 minutes to write up their answer and outline their search strategy.

Each day’s question will go online at 10am AEST. The answers will be published at noon.

You can vote once on each round. Voting will be open for 24 hours for each round.

The winner will be presented the trophy on Monday 1 June.

The Cup

Want to know what we’re playing for?

The 2009 Challenge Cup is a superb GIF hand-crafted by Mosman Council’s graphic designer.

It will be awarded to the team that has won the most rounds at the close of voting on Saturday 30 May.